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J'ai trouvé l'album allons y alors.

YES ! Youpi et tout ça !

Merci, Winsterhand pour m'avoir permis de réécouter ce disque!
Ca faisait un bail que je ne l'avais pas écouté!

En effet merci pour ta participation mon bon winsterhand

Merci Winster,un bon disque. Je prend la suite a la demande de Vox et Harvest non sans une certaine appréhension

J'essaie de transcrire ce petit bout d'interview de Townshend, mais j'ai du mal sur certains passages. De l'aide serait la bienvenue.

ANNOUNCER: You and I are about to spend the next hour getting to know and hopefully understand one Mr. Pete Townshend. Now possibly you have heard by this time that Pete Townshend has already been ascribed to one or two records out as lead guitarist and songwriter of the Who. This conversation, however, will not deal with the Who, but rather with Pete Townshend and Ronnie Lane, who have recently released an album called Rough Mix. Several other notables, such as John Entwistle, Eric Clapton, Charlie Watts, Ian Stewart, and my favourite, Bijou Drains. So sit back, get comfortable and get ready for Townshend and Lane! A rough mix indeed.

PETE: Well, the idea to do the album was Ronnie's in the first place... came from Ronnie... Ronnie came to see me, he'd just been working with the Small Faces re... revitalization program, and... they were planning a big come-back, and Ronnie was one of the original members with Steve Marriott and Kenney and Mac, and they were planning an album and a tour, and stuff like that. And I think that Ronnie became incredibly, er... disoriented, because I think he imaginated in the beginning that it was just gonna be sort of a reunion concert or two, and maybe make an album and... because they had some success with an old track of theirs, "Itchycoo Park", going in the charts. And he came to see me with, you know, bit of a sad story how, you know, he'd gotten into [deep?] and he didn't know what to do, he was very worried about _not_ doing the thing with the Faces because he felt that financially he, you know, it wouldn't have helped his chances with his own album [in this state?] which, believe it or not, I can think a couple of his albums weren't even released in America, and, I think, Ronnie's, you know, Ronnie's particular [style?], obviously I've always liked him as a friend, but it's very varied and it's very... very... very down-home in a way, but I really felt that Ronnie's work needed a... you know, an opening.

ANNOUNCER: Welcome back, everybody. If you've just joined us, we're talking with Pete Townshend regarding his collaboration with Ronnie Lane. Now, because of the highly identifiable style and sound of the Who, and because Rough Mix is such a departure from that style, I wondered if Pete Townshend had made a conscious effort to avoid Who-like material on this particular album.

PETE: I didn't really make any... conscious... effort to, you know, to avoid Who-like material, definitely no. I mean, what really happens when I write is if I write, say, if I write thirty song for a Who album, fifteen of them go by the board as soon as the whole band get to listen to them. There'll be one that Keith will be very cold to — Keith doesn't [mind?] [?] in the traditional sense, he doesn't like shuffle rhythms, for example "Rough Mix" as an instrumental, it goes "tam-tatam-tatam, ta tatatatam tatam-tatam", that's got a shuffle [?] Keith won't play that, he doesn't want... Keith is a [?] drummer, so that's all that out of the window. Roger doesn't like anything that is too obscure. I know [?] like anything get too bitter, you know, the only way that I could get across the bitterness that I felt at the time of the last Who album, By Numbers, was by only presenting him just enough songs to fill the album. If I'd given too many alternatives, I wouldn't have gotten that stuff on. So, that's what tends to happen. In this case, the editing process, or the, you know, what's the word, the selective machinery was completely different. It's different person, standing in a different place from Glyn Johns, who produced the album [?] and he wasn't trying to produce the Who, he was trying to produce something which had no... full gone conclusion, no pre-conceptions about how it's gonna turn out. And Ronnie's own... supportive... thing to me, you know, is [?] to get together on an album with me, it was because he's always felt that the things I do outside of the Who, which the general public never get to hear, and so he was triumphant, you know, when we actually started to do anything that was a little bit different. "My Baby Gives It Away" is not, would not be a good Who song. 'Cause it's got shuffle rhythm, you know, which we never do. The Who do... [?] like the kind of rhythms that you hear coming from today's British punk groups, you know, "dum-dum, dudududududum dum dum".

Allez je me lance

My baby give it away : La première chose qui me gène sur ce titre et sur le disque en général c'est le côté cheap de la production et surtout du son de batterie très étouffé. C'est comme si il y avait un voile sur la chanson. Sinon la mélodie est sympathique

Nowhere to Run : Généralement je trouve les morceaux de Lane Beaucoup plus inspirés que ceux de Pete Townshend sur ce disque. Nowhere to run est pour moi une des meilleures chansons de ce disque

Rough mix : je ne comprend pas l'intérêt de ce titre . INstrumentalement ca ne casse vraiment pas des briques selon moi..remplissage?

Annie : Mon morceau préféré du disque. J'aime en particulier la mélodie de ce morceau. La voix est particulièrement émouvante et c'est aussi un des rare ternaire de ce disque ce qui le démarque des autres chansons. Gros coup de coeur

Keep me turning : Comme presque tout le disque un morceau mid tempo. Le pb de ce genre de morceau c'est qu'il ne sont pas assez joyeux pour vous mettre de bonne humeur, ni assez mélancolique pour coller à une ambiance plus intimiste..le genre de morceau sur lequel je ne reviens que très peu même s' il n'est pas désagréable

Catmelody : rock sympa mais un peu lourdeau quand même. ce genre de titre serait mieux servi par une production plus saignante. ..Mais ca reste agréable à entendre

Misunderstood : un peu mou de g'nou à mes oreilles. Le solo d'harmonica au milieu du morceau n'est pas vraiment mis en valeur. La mélodie a du potentiel je pense, mais elle aurait gagné à être mieux mis en valeur par une orchestration un peu plus pêchue

April Fool : j'aime vraiment beaucoup la voix de Lane, je la trouve très touchante. Pb : La chanson en elle même ne décolle jamais vraiment. On a l'impression d'un tube qui reste dans les starting block. Une batterie qui rentre au milieu du morceau pour lui donner un peu plus de jus aurait été à mon avis plus judicieux que le boeuf qui clôt ce titre.

Street in the city : belle chanson avec de très beau arrangements de cordes. J'aime vraiment ce titre même si encore une fois je trouve que le son global des cordes manquent un peu de puissance. C'est d'autant plus dommage que ca semble pourtant être le but recherché sur ce titre

Heart To hang onto : Bon duo. Très bonne mélodie, voix au top. Mais là encore, les instruments ne donnent pas, selon moi, au morcau la dimension qu'il devrait prendre pour devenir excellent. En fait, je trouve que le batteur ne groove pas. C'est sans doute un excellent musicien..Mais sur ce disque en particulier, son instrument ne porte pas les morceaux comme il devrait le faire selon moi

Till the river : Comme j'aime la country, j'adore evidemment ce standard. Très belle version. un des morceaux que je vais mettre régulièrement dans mes playlists.

Au final un disque avec beaucoup de potentiel mais qui reste en demi teinte à cause d'une production un peu terne et d'arrangements qui restent souvent inabouties de mon point de vue. Je lui mettrais donc un 5/10


Etrange de relire cet avis plusieurs mois après ..Depuis j'aime beaucoup ce disque ..
PAs vraiment changé d'avis sur la production mais les chansons sont tellement bonnes que j'aurais du lui coller un 8, au moins